Comments on: Feminine or Feminist http://www.dyingtolive.org/2008/09/08/feminine-feminist/ dying to live Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:24:57 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: brent http://www.dyingtolive.org/2008/09/08/feminine-feminist/#comment-4793 brent Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:39:12 +0000 http://www.dyingtolive.org/?p=736#comment-4793 Nyssa, I probably worded it wrong. I was saying from a feminist perspective motherhood is not something to be desired. I live in one of the most liberal feminized cities in America, Seattle. There are more dogs than children in this city because the family is more or less a nuisance to freedom and independence from many women's perspective. You said, "Feminism is a lot about motherhood and the respect for it. Just because a feminist believes in the right to choose, does not mean she does not believe in the right to choose to have the child." The right to choose to have a child or choose not to have a child is fine. The right to choose to keep a child alive which you have already conceived verses the right to kill that child for no reason other than inconvenience is completely different. This by the way is the reason for abortion more than 9 out of 10 times. Not health, not rape, but inconvenience. How does a women have respect for motherhood while believing that good mothers are from those who protect their children as well as those who kill their children when they don't want them? Nyssa,
I probably worded it wrong. I was saying from a feminist perspective motherhood is not something to be desired. I live in one of the most liberal feminized cities in America, Seattle. There are more dogs than children in this city because the family is more or less a nuisance to freedom and independence from many women’s perspective.

You said, “Feminism is a lot about motherhood and the respect for it. Just because a feminist believes in the right to choose, does not mean she does not believe in the right to choose to have the child.” The right to choose to have a child or choose not to have a child is fine. The right to choose to keep a child alive which you have already conceived verses the right to kill that child for no reason other than inconvenience is completely different. This by the way is the reason for abortion more than 9 out of 10 times. Not health, not rape, but inconvenience. How does a women have respect for motherhood while believing that good mothers are from those who protect their children as well as those who kill their children when they don’t want them?

]]> By: Chantal http://www.dyingtolive.org/2008/09/08/feminine-feminist/#comment-4375 Chantal Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:22:12 +0000 http://www.dyingtolive.org/?p=736#comment-4375 Also: fem⋅i⋅nism   /ˈfɛməˌnɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fem-uh-niz-uhm] Show IPA Use feminist in a Sentence –noun 1. the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men. 2. (sometimes initial capital letter) an organized movement for the attainment of such rights for women. 3. feminine character. I do feel this is a very stereotypical post, and think it would show a bit of wisdom to put up this disclaimer: “of course not every feminist is as I describe and therefore if you don’t fit the stereotype I apologize for lumping you in. It reads more like a rant. Should I write up a blog about how all sorority girls are slutty and drink all the time and need to repent? I could, but that would be completely stereotypical. And really, do you think a feminist is going to read your harsh words and feel guilt and shame and change her viewpoint? I think meeting with someone, sharing your viewpoint in a loving but firm way, and over time showing an example of how being feminine is not unhealthy (maybe this would be better from a woman-to-woman stand point) would bear more fruit than this hurtful blog post. Also:

fem⋅i⋅nism
  /ˈfɛməˌnɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fem-uh-niz-uhm] Show IPA
Use feminist in a Sentence
–noun
1. the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) an organized movement for the attainment of such rights for women.
3. feminine character.

I do feel this is a very stereotypical post, and think it would show a bit of wisdom to put up this disclaimer: “of course not every feminist is as I describe and therefore if you don’t fit the stereotype I apologize for lumping you in.

It reads more like a rant. Should I write up a blog about how all sorority girls are slutty and drink all the time and need to repent? I could, but that would be completely stereotypical. And really, do you think a feminist is going to read your harsh words and feel guilt and shame and change her viewpoint? I think meeting with someone, sharing your viewpoint in a loving but firm way, and over time showing an example of how being feminine is not unhealthy (maybe this would be better from a woman-to-woman stand point) would bear more fruit than this hurtful blog post.

]]> By: Chantal http://www.dyingtolive.org/2008/09/08/feminine-feminist/#comment-4374 Chantal Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:17:02 +0000 http://www.dyingtolive.org/?p=736#comment-4374 If it were not for feminists would women have the right to vote today? If it were not for feminists would women have the right to vote today?

]]> By: Nyssa http://www.dyingtolive.org/2008/09/08/feminine-feminist/#comment-955 Nyssa Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:06:19 +0000 http://www.dyingtolive.org/?p=736#comment-955 I came across this blog just now and just thought: wow, this is lame. Should I take this seriously? I mean, just this one line: "The Mother represents all that is pitiful and primitive in today’s women" is in itself anti-woman. The Mother represents all that is "pitiful and primitive"? what? Really? So you're saying that motherhood is primitive? I think you probably just didn't word it correctly. Feminism is a lot about motherhood and the respect for it. Just because a feminist believes in the right to choose, does not mean she does not believe in the right to choose to have the child. And I would never have thought that Sarah Palin would be described as "articulate"... Anyway, weird blog. It amused me. I came across this blog just now and just thought: wow, this is lame.

Should I take this seriously?

I mean, just this one line: “The Mother represents all that is pitiful and primitive in today’s women” is in itself anti-woman. The Mother represents all that is “pitiful and primitive”? what? Really? So you’re saying that motherhood is primitive? I think you probably just didn’t word it correctly.

Feminism is a lot about motherhood and the respect for it. Just because a feminist believes in the right to choose, does not mean she does not believe in the right to choose to have the child.

And I would never have thought that Sarah Palin would be described as “articulate”…

Anyway, weird blog. It amused me.

]]> By: Brent http://www.dyingtolive.org/2008/09/08/feminine-feminist/#comment-888 Brent Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:48:13 +0000 http://www.dyingtolive.org/?p=736#comment-888 Jim, I think including your name means you want true dialogue and aren't just throwing crap at the field from the cheap seats. Concerning your post, I appreciate your perspective, however I would disagree. I am attacking an ideology not a particular person. We are to deal with individuals in love, but we don't always have to use loving language when we are confronting sin. When someone promotes the killing of babies in their stated ideology, I don't have to be nice about it. It may have been helpful for the more sensitive to have put a disclaimer saying, "of course not every feminist is as I describe and therefore if you don't fit the stereotype I apologize for lumping you in." However, this seems a bit pedantic. Jim, if you have a struggle with Christians throwing out strong language I would suggest you take off your bowdlerized glasses and read the strong language of the prophets and of Jesus as they were truly expressed. The prophets weren't "chilled out" and that is why they threw Jeremiah in a pit. I appreciate your honest dialogue, and will continue to analyze my own words. It is a hard line to travel between truth and "niceness" and hopefully the Holy Spirit will continue to work in all of us to come to a balance. Peace out. Jim,
I think including your name means you want true dialogue and aren’t just throwing crap at the field from the cheap seats. Concerning your post, I appreciate your perspective, however I would disagree. I am attacking an ideology not a particular person. We are to deal with individuals in love, but we don’t always have to use loving language when we are confronting sin. When someone promotes the killing of babies in their stated ideology, I don’t have to be nice about it. It may have been helpful for the more sensitive to have put a disclaimer saying, “of course not every feminist is as I describe and therefore if you don’t fit the stereotype I apologize for lumping you in.” However, this seems a bit pedantic. Jim, if you have a struggle with Christians throwing out strong language I would suggest you take off your bowdlerized glasses and read the strong language of the prophets and of Jesus as they were truly expressed. The prophets weren’t “chilled out” and that is why they threw Jeremiah in a pit.

I appreciate your honest dialogue, and will continue to analyze my own words. It is a hard line to travel between truth and “niceness” and hopefully the Holy Spirit will continue to work in all of us to come to a balance.

Peace out.

]]> By: Jim Harrel http://www.dyingtolive.org/2008/09/08/feminine-feminist/#comment-878 Jim Harrel Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:23:33 +0000 http://www.dyingtolive.org/?p=736#comment-878 Iam the first poster. Jim Harrel is my name. So how does that change the qualitative meaning of my post and how am I now more accountable because you have a name. If that is the issue at stake I would recommend members only blogs where only people you physically have met can post. Trolling seems a derogatory and accusatory stab without knowledge of the facts. I based my statements on faith in the written words of the blogger, not some apriori secret knowledge of his motives etc. Please deal with propositional statements next time and not ad hominem passive agressive techniques. Iam the first poster. Jim Harrel is my name. So how does that change the qualitative meaning of my post and how am I now more accountable because you have a name. If that is the issue at stake I would recommend members only blogs where only people you physically have met can post. Trolling seems a derogatory and accusatory stab without knowledge of the facts. I based my statements on faith in the written words of the blogger, not some apriori secret knowledge of his motives etc. Please deal with propositional statements next time and not ad hominem passive agressive techniques.

]]> By: Tim Ellis http://www.dyingtolive.org/2008/09/08/feminine-feminist/#comment-861 Tim Ellis Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:50:50 +0000 http://www.dyingtolive.org/?p=736#comment-861 Someone once told me: <blockquote>As far as I'm concerned, people should only be anonymous when they are doing something good and don't want credit for it (spiderman, batman, guy-who-gives-huge-sums-of-money-to-needy-children Man). When they are anonymous so as to talk politics or troll, it makes it too easy to be rude without having to own up to your words.</blockquote> I don't know if I agree or not, I just thought they were applicable words to the situation. Someone once told me:

As far as I’m concerned, people should only be anonymous when they are doing something good and don’t want credit for it (spiderman, batman, guy-who-gives-huge-sums-of-money-to-needy-children Man). When they are anonymous so as to talk politics or troll, it makes it too easy to be rude without having to own up to your words.

I don’t know if I agree or not, I just thought they were applicable words to the situation.

]]> By: another anon http://www.dyingtolive.org/2008/09/08/feminine-feminist/#comment-860 another anon Sat, 18 Oct 2008 02:48:13 +0000 http://www.dyingtolive.org/?p=736#comment-860 Wow, just like a man to speak on behalf of women. The number of assumptions you make in your fruitless attempt to plumb the wonderful mysterious depths of the opposite sex is mind-boggling. Women, whether they consider themselves to be feminists or not, are just as multi-demensional as a sex and as individuals as men are. The feminists I know are wives, mothers, gorgeous, sexy, feminine and PROUD of it. Maybe you should spend some time outside your own echo chamber and meet some people who don't think like you. You just might learn something from them, instead of feeling the need to "put them in their place" and tell them how they feel. Wow, just like a man to speak on behalf of women. The number of assumptions you make in your fruitless attempt to plumb the wonderful mysterious depths of the opposite sex is mind-boggling. Women, whether they consider themselves to be feminists or not, are just as multi-demensional as a sex and as individuals as men are. The feminists I know are wives, mothers, gorgeous, sexy, feminine and PROUD of it. Maybe you should spend some time outside your own echo chamber and meet some people who don’t think like you. You just might learn something from them, instead of feeling the need to “put them in their place” and tell them how they feel.

]]> By: anon http://www.dyingtolive.org/2008/09/08/feminine-feminist/#comment-858 anon Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:12:23 +0000 http://www.dyingtolive.org/?p=736#comment-858 I think your perceptions are correct but too harshly delivered. As you are a servant and representative of the gospel I would encourage you to speak the truth in love. We are His living epistles and ambassadors. Chill out a bit. That doesnt mean you have to water things down. I think you will find a wider audience outside the 18-40 demographic tuning in. Just a thought. I think your perceptions are correct but too harshly delivered. As you are a servant and representative of the gospel I would encourage you to speak the truth in love. We are His living epistles and ambassadors. Chill out a bit. That doesnt mean you have to water things down. I think you will find a wider audience outside the 18-40 demographic tuning in. Just a thought.

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